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to this meeting? harry reid was sounding pessimistic early in the day. then john boehner calling the house back sunday evening with a vote scheduled after 6:00 p.m., setting up a late sunday session or a lot of fireworks on monday. guest: the redskins-cowboys game is on sunday night. each side staked out a public position it had to stake out. use it at the end there's a sentence saying, but we will talk or negotiate. nothing unusual here to me. i think right now they are doing what they have to do publicly. we do not know what those people in the room at the white house are going to say and that is the key. host: the speaker will attend this meeting. he said the house has passed legislation to avert the fiscal cliff. now the senate must act. senator reid said it is up to the house. explain what is going on. guest: i cannot read john boehner's mind. let's say the senate takes up something where you extend all the rates for a year but you increase the rates for people making $500,000. let's say that passes the senate. 75 votes. they sent it to the house. are republicans in the house going to be t
doors, but the senate majority leader harry reid a short time ago going home and basically saying that he will be back in the senate until tomorrow at 11 a.m., suggests that we're edging closer and closer to that cliff, but what the president did today. as he did something rare, he went on the sunday talk show for the first time in three years, went on nbc's meet the press and the last time he did one of the shows was promote health care reform today and try and back republicans back into a corner and suggested that maybe he's starting to play the blame game and saying if we go off the cliff it's going to be republicans fault. take a listen to what he had to say. >> not because democrats and congress don't want to go ahead and cooperate, but because i think it's been very hard for speaker boehner and republican leader mcconnell to accept the fact that taxes on the wealthiest americans should go up a little bit and as part of an overall deficit reduction package. if folks can't say yes to good offers, then i also have an obligation to the american people to make sure that the entir
there was earlier in the day. mitch mcconnell and harry reid say they're going to come out and try to hammer out a bipartisan deal that can pass the senate with enough republican votes to convince the house to act and even president obama who had been concerned that they were not going to act and challenging them for an up and down vote said he was optimistic. here's the president after that meeting. >> i just had a good and constructive discussion at the white house with senate and house leadership about how to prevent this tax hike on the middle class and i'm optimistic we may still be able to reach an agreement that can pass both houses in time. >> now what would be in that mini deal? we're talking about tax increases for people at near the top of the income scale. the question is the threshold, 400 or $500,000 are the likely places that that could end up. it would likely turn off the automatic sequester by using some of the revenue from the tax increases to account as budget cuts and turn off they is quester and it would also extend unemployment benefits and do the so-called doc fix to preve
the final push in congress to try to avert the fiscal cliff. >> it's interesting. harry reid told us they are making progress in the talks. at this stage they don't have a deal. what you heard senator thune, republicans are saying if we give you more revenue what will you going to do with it? are you going to pay down the deficit? if you are going to use it for more government spending we don't want a part of it. senator mcconnell on the republican side seemed to get frustrated because he felt like the democrats were slow walking the th, 18 hours without a response. mcconnell made a call to a well known senator, joe biden to see if he could help. >> we're willing to work with whoever can help. no single issue remains an impossible sticking point. a sticking point appears to be a willingness and interest or frankly the courage to close the deal. >> reporter: as senate aide says it was designed to try to jumpstart the talks and consequences of getting a tax increase is a huge concern. >> gregg: what went awry in these talks? >> you heard senator thune. a fiscal cliff deal is a new way
the democrats. people wonder why we operate on government by deadline. because harry reid has made the cynical, cynical move of not passing a budget through the united states senate over the past several years. it's deeply cynical because the budget shows what your priorities are. harry reid doesn't want the american people to know what the senate democrats' priorities are, so they just don't pass budgets. now, what usually happens is, you have a budget every year. the senate passes their budget. the house passes their budget. they go to conference. we all saw -- we all saw i'm just a bill, yes, i'm only a bill. i'm living here on capitol hill. harry reid, obviously -- he was doing a chicken fight or something while that was going on. he missed that. the senate has been negligent for the past several years. and that's why we have this government by deadline because democrats in the senate will not pass a budget. >> the problem with government by deadline, two things. one, as we saw yesterday, the republicans were the ones who put themselves in a position where if you didn't move forward, they
assume harry reid is here and their staffs are going back and forth. i spoke to one aide who said don't expect for any details to leak tonight. they'll be closed-lipped about this because the idea if anything does leak out it gives more of an opportunity for folks on either party to kill a deal if they don't like what they hear. some sort of a agreement will be announced tomorrow when the house is back in session and the senate is back in session and they can go back to say hey, this is the best opportunity. as far as the likelihood of this kraig, things have not been going well and there's optimism here and there and things are fluid like kristen says and it will be the final deal, but what we do know is these folks on capitol hill are very mindful of the damage that can be done to the economy if nothing is brief. we've had five down days in the stock market and we're preparing the country on tuesday for the first tax increase in 20 years, and i think finally at the end, that's starting to resonate at least with some of the elder members of both sides hence why we're even here on a s
it not for harry reid. harry reid has told us so many stories of his youth and his background in that tiny town and what brought him to this station in life today. i almost feel if there were a town or high school reunion i could attend it with harry and look around and recognize a lot of people there, because i've certainly heard stories about his youth and the people that had a dramatic impact on his life from the time that he was growing up in searchlight, neff. we know he came from modest circumstances. his family grew raised him in a very small home without indoor plumbing. he attended a two-room elementary school in searchlight, nevada. as a child, senator reid's father was a hard-rock miner and his mother took in laundry. he says of his parents that his father gave him quiet and his mother gave him confidence. opportunities were scarce in searchlight, but harry made the most of what he had. his book "the good fight" has a great opening prar that i'd like to -- has a great opening paragraph i'd like to share because it says what life must have been like in the town of searchlight. harry w
've yet to receive a response to our good faith offer. >> democratic leader harry reid said the gulf over taxes was still too wide, and he indicated the white house might be tying his hands. >> i've had a number of conversations with the president, and at this stage, we're not able to make a counteroffer. >> reporter: so senator mcconnell called the vice president, who he served with in the senate for 24 years. the two men spoke several times sunday. >> i want everyone to know i'm willing to get this done, but i need a dance partner. >> reporter: democrats want to let the bush-era tax cuts expire for all household incomes over $250,000 a year. republicans would rather set the cutoff at around $500,000 or keep the tax cuts in place for everyone. the two sides are also at odds over the estate tax rate which currently stands at 35% but is set to revert to 55%. even if senate leaders do strike a deal and pass a bill today, it would still need to go up for a vote in the house, but at this point, many members are just hoping their leaders can come up with something if only
able to make it happen. harry reid gave us problem or lack thereof. >> there are two sides still apart, and negotiations are continuing as i speak. there's still more before we can bring ledges laying to the floor. what else is new? can anyone save this congress from itself? turns out the new man responsible is vice president joe biden. yep. that's right. joe biden is the latest person to be called on to try to get congress out of the straight jacket they've put themselves in. the vp and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell exchanged phone calls until midnight last night and again this morning, and appeared to be zeroing in on a tax rate compromise in the region of a $450,000 to $550,000 threshold. a higher rate than the president's earlier compromise as well as an agreement on the estate tax. sticking points remain. president obama seemed resigned to going over the cliff. >> if all else fails, if republicans do, in fact, decide to block it so that taxes on middle class families do, in fact, go up on january 1st, then on january 4th the first bill to be introduced on the floor will b
being sent up to the hill today. harry reid, the senate majority leader, also denied that any such thing was taking place today. both of those denials do also come against the backdrop of the fact both sides acknowledged this is not something they plan to litigate in public and underscores the real challenges that do exist, craig, now with barely 100 hours until the fiscal cliff deadline. two sides made it very clear. john boehner couldn't pass with house republicans the idea of raising taxes only on those making more than a million dollars. the president has insisted throughout that $250,000 had been his limit. it's bumped up to $400,000. but even when they were within just a couple hundred billion dollars, which seems like a lot to you and me but it is not a lot in the language of washington, then they went opposite directions an enwhere the political particular sis stands at this moment. >> all right. peter and alexander, thank you good sir. joining me now karen bass of california. congresswoman, good to see you and nice to see you there from the capitol. you are still in california b
anybody is actually doing anything right now. gregg: what about harry reid? what's his, does he have anything at all maybe towards the end of the week he will put on the table? i've been hearing he will put to a vote an extension of the bush tax cuts for anybody making under $250,000 a year, extend unemployment benefits for some 2 million people that are about to lose them. what are you hearing? >> right. he sounded pretty pessimistic this morning but that could change and there's, kind of a fight, procedurally between the house and the senate in a sense that if reid originates a bill in the senate that would do what you said, people in the house say, well that would be unacceptable because the constitution requires revenue bills to originate in the house. but there is this bill that the house did pass a while back extending tax cuts for everybody. the senate could actually amend that bill. it originated in the house and then send it back and actually get somewhere. you have to remember that john boehner actually gave in on the principle of raising tax rates for the highest earners.
that was the danger. at the time, speaker boehner said to the president and harry reid, the senate needs to send something our way, and we will deal with it. i thought it was a humble and honest approach. now, they got it, and i do not think they're going to like it. host: again, the house comes into session around noon eastern time. keep your television on c-span as we continue our coverage of the so-called fiscal cliff. tactically, we went over the -- technically, we went over the cliff, but all reports are if this deal is approved by the house, they could retroactively fixed the tax hikes, and also before the sequestration or automatic spending cuts kick in wednesday, the have another day to deal with that as well. guest: nothing means anything around here. they can legislate things backward and forward, and make sure nobody feels any pain. it is incredible. host: a couple of more phone calls for charles hurt. mary. in mississippi, republican caller. caller: i would like to point out to all of the democrats that are appeased this morning that he raised taxes on the rich, that all he has reall
of six attending. vice president biden, harry reid, house minority leader nancy pelosi, mitch mcconnell and john boehner representing the republicans. brianna keilar is live from washington. is anybody optimistic that a deal could be done today around a table? >> i will tell you the optimism is sort of sinking. senate majority leader harry reid said he doesn't see how it can get done by january 1st. we heard from president obama before he left from his vacation that he was optimistic. logistically the white house will tell you it's possible. when you listen to what you're hearing some of these congressional leaders say, there's a lot of posturing laying blame to the other side if we do go over the cliff. take a listen. >> republicans are not about to write a blank check for anything senate democrats put forward because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> we are here in washington working while the members of the house of representatives are out watching movies, watching their kids play soccer, basketball, doing all kinds of things. they should be here. >> now, house sp
more. the irony here is boehner could lose the job trying to make a deal. harry reid will likely keep his job. boehner is a bore for being blunt and telling the other guy to his face, but reid is an angel for being phony. and referring to rip the other guy only behind his back. this isn't about a speaker losing it. this little exchange is more about a phony decorum that tries to hide it. what is weird is both like boehner an cantor are called fiscal stiffs on the cover of the "new york daily news" for having serious issues with a rescue bill for sandy victims because it wasn't going to just sandy victims. but democrats happy to sign a $60 billion blank check are saints, saying they are happy to tap it to repair smithsonian museum roof and plant trees in ohio. untold millions for items with nothing to do with sandy. not exactly dancing. it's a wonder boehner didn't curse more. more of a wonder why the media didn't wish he did. that is not fair and not right. it's wrong. would it kill us to get the other side of the story? would we ever try?
, it's up to the senate. staffers and a majority leader harry reid, minority leader mitch mcconnell are trying to negotiate a scaled-down debt deal to avoid some of the fiscal cliff and take other major decisions on taxes and spending to the future. again, in an afternoon white house meeting president obama pitch a debt plan he had outlined a week ago, prevent a tax increase for income of less than to an effective thousand dollars per year and extend long-term unemployment benefits. senate leaders are using that framework to try to craft a proposal to pass both houses of congress. aides say it would likely increase the threshold for tax increases, reversing massive pay cut from medicare doctors, and elections of millions of americans to avoid paying the alternative minimum tax. an increase in the debt ceiling is not part ofhe discussion. that is significant development r house republicans who won any increase in the borrowing limit it accompanied by an equal amount in spending cuts taking the debt ceiling of the table making it much easier for the scaled-down version to be negotiate
left for hawaii he had a meeting at the white house with senate majority leader harry reid and seeing both sides dig in on what they want and i think the smaller package, at least before new year's or right around the beginning of the year is probably the best to hope for. right now they're running out of time. lawmakers aren't returning to town, most of them, until tomorrow. the president won't be back until tomorrow and while most rank and file members won't be involved in the day-to-day negotiations of whatever this deal might be, they're going to have to vote for it. you saw right before christmas, speaker john boehner tried to move his own independent plan to raise taxes on income levels over a million dollars and he wasn't able to do that successfully. and i think it was a big sign about the difficulties he'll have even wrangling the majority of his caucus and so i think in order to get something done, anything done, to make sure that taxes don't increase on middle class americans, to make sure that the spending cuts don't start immediately, a lot of lawmakers are leary of them
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of expletives that harry reid right outside the house speaker a dictator on the senate floor. you can expect more of that tension in the weeks to come. >> stay with us for complete coverage of the fiscal cliff deal and what could happen in the next few months. for more on the impact on you and your family, the 02 -- go to wjla.com and our social media websites. >> the other story is the failure of congress to come up with a comprehensive relief package for the victims of hurricane sandy. the governor of new jersey is angry at the house speaker for pulling the eight, calling it a trail. it comes after the senate approved a package on friday. chris christie called the move in the house a slap in the face to the state. >> americans are tired of the palace intrigue and political partnership -- partisanship of this congress that pleases one upmanship head of the lives of the citizens who sends these people to washington d.c. in the first place. >> a vote to sandy relief will happen in house by january 15. >> the latest in a development -- a developing story -- secretary of state and hill
corridan is monitoring the situation from washington, d-c. senate majority leader harry reid says while negotiations are on-going, the senate will not vote on any plan this evening. the senate will reconvene monday morning, at which point there will be just over 12-hours until the u.s. goes over the fiscal cliff. >>> if nothing is done by midnight monday, mandatory tax hikes and spending cuts will kick in, impacting every american. elizabeth corridan is monitoring the situation and brings us the latest. --reporter pkg-as follows -- " as we gather with so much work undone, guide our lawmakers with your wisdom." the senate convened its rare sunday session with a prayer for progress. the house returned from its holiday hiatus. with less than 48- hours until the u-s economy goes over what's being called the fiscal cliff - lawmakers are locked in a fierce face-off over a set of spending cuts and tax hikes. >>> "we're apart on some pretty big issues." "i'm willing to get this done, but i need a dance partner." >> reporter: on n-b-c's meet the press, president obama made a final pitch for his
on december 31st. senate majority leader harry reid is working to see if the scaled backpackage the president laid out last week can get through congress before monday. meantime, treasury secretary timothy geithner says the government will hit the debt ceiling on monday and he is launching an emergency plan to avert a crisis. amm eamon javers is live. what do we know? >> the president is coming back early, a couple days earlier than his vacation. did a little bit of jogging, working out in the gym over his vacation. now he will be,ing would out on this fiscal cliff. the senate is coming back and the house of representatives is going to have a conference call for all republicans later on today and then yesterday, we saw the secretary of the treasury, tim geithner, announced the $16.4 trillion debt limit is going to be reached by monday, that was a little bit surprising to people who haven't been following this kind of thing and raises the stakes for the fiscal cliff end game because the white house had wanted a debt ceiling deal as part of the overall deal here on the fiscal cliff. republicans
're shifting negotiation tactics now to a group of two. two senators, mitch mcconnell and harry reid, the two party leaders in the senate, are going to be trying to find a way to get a deal today. we know their staff is talking. we don't expect actually any necessary meetings between those two leaders right away today. we think that their chiefs of staff are going to be on the phone, via e-mail. this reported from our producer, ted barrett. perhaps tonight they'll see if the leaders can sit down and get together something to present to their various caucuses. now as i said, it was silent until yesterday. then we heard many people speaking. again, we heard from president obama this morning talking about how important it is to try and get a deal done this week. >> you meet your deadlines, your responsibilities every single day. the folks you sent here to serve should do the same. we cannot let washington politics get in the way of america's progress. we've got to do what it takes to protect the middle class, grow this economy, and move our country forward. >> that was the president's weekly add
. the senate republican leader felt like harry reid's democratic counterpart wasn't negotiating in good faith, trying torepublicans to the edge of the cliff. he called vice president joe biden as an end around. mitch mcconnell walked to the senate cloak room sat down and said socially, look, joe, a lot of these guy s are very smart people, but i don't see the trip wires. i'll call you back with an offer, that's how this start ed 30 hours later, a deal was done. >> sitting in the phone booth in the cloak room. that's amazing. >> for all of the talk on the vice president and senate side, so much drama overnight on the house side. speaker boehner voting for the bill. and eric cantor voting against the bill. the house whip voting against the bill and paul ryan voting for the bill. this is a real split. >> it is. it shows the schism and a real good demonstration of why it was so difficult for speaker boehner to negotiate a bigger, grander deal with the president. he was unable to get his own deal through the house a few weeks ago, and the negotiated deal that passed with overwhelming bipartisan su
of the democrats did. >> the little smirks and all that, but the fact is he went in there superseding harry reid who wasn't getting anything done. at least something happened. people wanted to see some sort of action. they wanted to know their congressmen who went home for the break would actually do something. >> here's mitch mcconnell on how this thing went together. he doesn't like the way it happened either but it's still done. >> shouldn't have taken us this long to come to an agreement, and this shouldn't be the model for how we do things around here. i know i can speak for my entire conference when i say we don't think taxes should be going up on anyone, but we all knew that if we did nothing, they would be going up on everyone today. each of us could spend the rest of the week discussing what a perfect solution would have looked like. but the end result would have been the largest tax increase in american history. so it took an imperfect solution to prevent our constituents from a very real financial pain. >> as we mentioned at the outset, the final vote in the senate -- remember, it sti
or so we got all of the action get kicked to the senate and mitch mcconnell and harry reid were trying to come to an agreement that they could bring to the senate floor. and sometime about saturday afternoon, saturday evening, mitch mcconnell started to feel like after trading some offers maybe harry reid was slow walking him a little bit. we got into sunday and the majority leader said i don't -- i don't really have a counteroffer i can make to you at this point. and mcconnell takes to the floor and said the majority leader is not negotiating with me so i called joe biden, and i have this nice little scene. national journal did an exhaustive reconstruction of these last few months. and mitch mcconnell is on the floor, and he is given a card that says hey there's a phone call for you. he picks up a phone in a phone booth, and it's the vice president. and he tries to persuade, joe biden, saying hey, i need a dance partner here would you come off of the sidelines. and he said you know the trip wire here. biden says let me get back to you with an offer. a
at a time when harry reid went home and went to bed and left it to the vice president. boehner was straight, honest with us ind lowed the regular process to occur. >> white house last friday. fox news confirmed boehner told reid to go "f" himself twice. after reid accused boehner of running the house like a dictatorship and being more concerned about saving his own job than cutting a deal. republican sources say it's likely it will only boost boehner's stock with conservatives. bret? >> you cleaned that up a little bit, mike. what about the signing of the bill and the process here? >> we are told the bill arrived at 4:30 this afternoon. we understand president obama will electronically sign the bill. the first president to use the autotoe pen. the third time he is doing it. cleared by the council's office. >> bret: mike, thank you. if you want a breakdown of what is in the fiscal bill check out wendell goler's piece on the foxnews.com/specialreport. republicans hoping to pick up a legislative win after the fiscal cliff deal has been eyeing the debt ceiling as the next potential arena for sp
leader harry reid to leave the west wing. but at his point, three out of the four left. didn't say a word. we don't expect the senate majority leader to do anything different and actually talk to us about this one. so we're basically waiting for congressional aides to leak it to us. david: one thing that was just leaked to us, house speaker boehner is not going to the capitol. again they will have, they will meeting tomorrow. they may even meet sunday or even on new's year day, seems like things are wrapped up as far as john boehner is concernee. rich edson, thanks very much. shibani? shibani: goldman sachs ceo lloyd blankfein one of the ceo's set to speak with the president in an hour's time on latest details on the fiscal cliff talks. the financial sector on track for its biggest gain in nine years. what remains ahead for financials and what is at stake stake for the industry with the fiscal cliff looming? let's ask marty mosby, guggenheim bank analyst. let's talk about first, marty, we hear lloyd blankfein will be on phone to talk to president obama trying to garner his support,
, was senator mitch mcconnell and here we have the majority leader in the senate, harry reid. let's listen in for a second. >> the house has reported by the press and we all know, one of the plans didn't have a name, it wasn't plan b. i don't know which plan it was because they've had a number over there. but this plan was to show the american people that the $250,000 ceiling on raising taxes wouldn't pass in the house. why didn't they have that vote? because it would have passed. they wanted to kill it. the speaker wanted to show everybody that it wouldn't pass the house. but he couldn't bring it up for vote because it wouldn't pass. republicans -- a myriad of republicans think it's the fair thing to do and of course every democrat would vote for that. the republican leader finds himself frustrated that the president has called on him to help address the fiscal cliff. he's upset because, quote, the phone never rang. he complains that i have not passed the resolution to pass the fiscal cliff but he's in error. we all know that in july of this year we passed in the senate the relief that wo
these prevent it, in control of whether or not your taxes go up come new year's day. harry reid, minority leader mitch mcconnell, house speaker john boehner and house democratic leader nancy pelosi met at the white house yesterday afternoon with the president and vice president. here's where things stand right now. the senate leaders are meeting aiming to avoid tax hikes. and they may vote on a deal sunday or perhaps on monday. jessica yellin is our chief white house correspondent. lisa day jar dayne is on capitol hill. the president used his bully pulpit to reinforce the idea that senators need to get busy. so let's listen. >> the american people are watching what we do here. obviously, their patience is already thin. this is deja vu all over again. america wonders why it is that in this town for some reason, you can't get stuff done in an organized timetable, why everything always has to wait till the last minute. we're now at the last minute. and the american people are not going to have any patience for a politically self-inflicted wound to our economy. not right now. >> so jessica, you were
and harry reid. republicans mitch mcconnell and john boehner. those four members of congress are expected to make the drive from the capital, which you see on the right, down pennsylvania avenue, to the white house, there on the left. and we expect them to enter through a side door on the west side of the mansion. that's the entrance right there. and they'll meet with the president. in the oval office. beginning, we're told, at 3:00 p.m., less than one hour from now. and just four days ahead of the so-called fiscal cliff. so a very big moment in the nation's capital. and to walk us through what might happen we turn to jessica yellin, a chief white house correspondent. jessica, we said up front, it is a long shot, give us a best case scenario. >> reporter: the best case scenario would be that all the leaders walk out of this meeting and say they have a deal. the two senators say they can bring it to a vote, and none of their members will filibuster it. house speaker john boehner says he will bring it to the house floor for a vote before new year's eve and house minority leader nancy pelosi
tomorrow afternoon. host: both majority leader harry reid and mitch mcconnell both expressed optimism after the meeting with the president. what is the basis of their optimism? is this a sign we might be one step, two steps, through step closer to a deal? caller: it does appear we are a step closer to a deal. they are talking about doing is extraordinarily popular stuff. except for the big marquee item, which is letting taxes rise on the wealthy. the rest of the stuff they are looking at doing the stuff they do all the time. it is extending an expiring tax policies. they know the benefit businesses. extent college tuition credits. there are looking at protecting people from the alternative minimum tax. it is all very urgent stuff that needs to be done. there are only two remotely controversial pieces of this, that is what to do with the estate tax and to how to define the wealthy people whose taxes are going to go up. the rest of it is, basically protecting people from tax hikes. i guess extending unemployment benefits and sometimes controversial for the republicans. it appears to have agre
from its christmas vacation to work on a deal today. sources tell us majority leader harry reid will be pushing a scaled back version of the fiscal cliff package that president obama laid out last week. it moved the tax hike needle to $400,000 per household. no word yet on when the house might come back with time ticking away. democrats are hoping that a scaled back plan could get through the house, senate and white house before that big ball drops on 2013. that would be sometime on december 30th or even on new years eve. we want to bring in jonathan allen. he's a senior national correspondent for politico. the top headline on politico is fiscal cliff deal increasingly unlikely. i think a lot of people are feeling that pessimism right now. what are you hearing? >> well, i think what you've got here, alena, is a nash equilibrium to borrow from economic theory and game theory. each of the players believe they are pursuing their optimal strategies given the strategies of the other players and there's no reason to change it. i think as observers of this, the american public, you can
reid days before the deal. it was touched off by this comment from harry reid. >> the american people i don't think understand the house of representatives is operating without the house of representatives. it's being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker, not allowing the vast majority of the house of representatives to get what they want. john boehner seems to care more about keeping his speakership than keeping the nation on firm financial footing. >> our senior congressional correspondent, dana bash, is joining us with more on this story. pick it up for our viewers, because some ugly words were exchanged. >> reporter: that's right. this incident happened last friday in the lobby of the white house when they were waiting to go into meet with the president on the fiscal cliff, and we're told by sources from both parties that the senate majority leader, harry reid was sitting on the couch next to mitch mcconnell and the house speaker said to harry reid, go blank yourself, and the blank starts with an "f." and reid laughed it off and did not take it seriously. a republican that wa
leader harry reid in the "new york times, returning to the u.s. capitol. his shadow. what's the relationship between harry reid and mitch mcconnell? guest: it's hard to tell. the rhetoric on the senate floor can be pretty tough. they call each other my dear friend whenever you want them on the c-span channels, but i think they both are in a frustrating position. senator harry reid does not have more than 60 members, so we cannot block a filibuster but senator mcconnell is adept at applying in cases where he'd want to block legislation. but i think they both have respect for each other's legislative skills and they have proven in the past that when they need to cut a deal, but can cut a deal and bring their party's members with them. host: john mccain writes a big budget deal is still worth doing. he points out to the history of some of these agreements, most notably with ronald reagan in the 1980's and president bush in 1991 in which republicans agreed to spending cuts that never happened while raising taxes. guest: that's right. there's a little confusion about how much s
, it started this weekend when mitch mcconnell was dealing with his democratic counterpart harry reid and he felt like at one point saturday and sunday that he was not getting a real fair deal out of the majority leader. he felt like perhaps that the democrat was slow walking him toward the fiscal cliff and maybe that he wasn't going to get the kinds of concessions that he hoped to out of the senate majority leader. and so he called joe biden and those guys have a history. they helped cut a debt deal in 2011 and they helped stepped the payroll tax cut that you were just talking about back in 2010. and he was able to start negotiations with the white house. joe biden had been sidelined by president obama for most of these talks. and he was able to kind of get things going and get a better deal out of the white house than he was going to be able to out of senate democrats. >> tell me about the division between the republicans. boehner voted for the bill, cantor did not. are we seeing a fundamental split in the leadership? >> that was a very interesting vote to watch and i think part of what th
regularly with senate majority leader harry reid and vice president joe biden is now in it. those two get along much better than mcconnell gets along with the president. over the last 24 hours the president has given some ground for higher levels for income taxes and estate taxes but is also along with that demanded much more in government spending than republicans are comfortable with. this is part of the impasse. and one of the things the administration wants to do is find some across the board spending cuts and cannes. ed government contracted due to take effect starting this week. >> all right. major garrett, thank you. wyoming senator john barrassow is with us. >> thank you for having me. >> if there's a deal today, why would you vote to extend tax cuts if there are no new spending cuts? >> that's the exact thing. the real problem is spending. if you want to raise taxes as the president promised in the campaign he wanted to do that, it was to pay down on the deficit. there's no evidence of any of that and that is a major sticking point. so the democrats are divided on tax rates, on t
majority leader harry reid unless he was going to make a call to his longtime friend joe biden to see if they could get the talks moving forward. he said he was looking for a willing dance partner. it appears he may have found one here. the vice president, as you know, has come in at the last minute on numerous deals in the past. the most recently on the big debt ceiling fight back in 2011. shibani: they have 25 minutes to work it all out. ashley: peter barnes, thank you very much. we will be taking the presidents live in about 24 minutes. there is no deal yet. what will be that immediate impacts if they cannot come together. $536 billion in tax increases, payments to medicare providers will drop by 27%, extended unemployment benefits will expire 42 million individuals. we should have listened to our next guest. he called it. if he hopeful we will get a last minute deal? stephen moore. look, you are here earlier this month and said we will be back here talking with you. >> here we are. ashley: we are getting inklings of some sort of deal being put together. >> i heard for the first ti
majority leader harry reid and mitch mcconnell on the senate floor. first, an update on where negotiations stand after the meeting between president and congressional leaders at the white house. >> steven dennis joins us from the role call as a white house reporter. stephen, how did the meeting between the president and congressional leaders go? >> i think it was a meeting where they may be set the framework for getting a short- term deal to avert tax increases for most americans, extend unemployment benefits, and maybe take care of a few other small things. at this point, it is a race against the clock and it is up to harry reid and mitch mcconnell and the senate to see if they can have a bipartisan compromise. the president said if he cannot come up with something in the next couple days, he wants harry reid to bring a bill to the floor that would do with the president wants to do, which is tax increases, extend unemployment benefits, etcetera, at least get a vote on it. harry reid has announced that he will prepare that bill and in the meantime he is trying to reach agreement with mccon
's plan, and will republican leaders let that happen? >> well, okay. so senate majority leader harry reid, a democrat, has crafted an alternative proposal that he has -- saying he will put -- if the negotiations i just described fail and if the senators cannot come to a bipartisan agreement, then the democratic leader is going to put on the floor a democratic proposal that would extend tax rates for households that make $250,000 and less. hatch the alternative minimum tax and extend unemployment insurance. so that's a democratic proposal. the problem with that is, you can expect a republican is likely to filibuster it or block it in some way so it's not likely to go anywhere. and it's not likely to be put on the house floor for a vote by republicans in the house or democrats in the house. so you can assume it's a nonstarter. it's more of the political proposal than a real proposal. bottom line. there's one good thing in washington. or two. you're there. and if we can get a shot of the capitol back, at least there's a nice dusk happening it's beautiful. let's hope that helps the mood there
. >> clayton: they all said the same thing. presidential meeting with the leaders yesterday. harry reid. >> juliet: vice president showed up. >> clayton: they must have been all on the same table hey whether we lee this table we will say modestly optimistic. listen to senator mitch mcconnell who may be the linchpin of this whole thing. he said i will take the ball and run with it in the senate. get a deal done. listen to the senator. >> we had a good meeting at the white house. we are engaged in discussions the majority leader and myself and the white house in the hopes that we can come forward sunday and have a recommendation that i can make to my conference and the majority leader can make to his conference. we will be working hard to see if we can get there in the next 24 hours. so i'm hopeful and optimistic. >> charles krauthammer calling him a master negotiator. saying if it were left up to him he could solve the syrian civil war in a weekend. >> dave: he can get it done but there is still john boehner and the house republicans. i'm not modestly optimistic. anything through the hou
leader harry reid. after a long weekend dush -- weekend of tense negotiations vice president joe biden had spent sunday dealing directly with the senate's republican minority leader mitch mcconnell. and those contacts continued today. by early this afternoon amid reports of progress, president obama emerged in a campaign style setting. >> today it appears that an agreement to prevent this new year's tax hike is within sight. but it's to the done. there are still issues left to resolve. but we're hopeful that congress can get it done. but it's not done. >> it was widely reported that the deal would include making the bush era tax cuts permanent for families with incomes under $450,000 a year. for households making more than that amount, rates would rise from the current 35% to 39.6%. the agreement would also raise the estate tax. in addition, unemployment benefits would be extended for one year. otherwise some 2 million americans face the end of their benefits beginning in january. on the senate floor shortly before midafternoon, minority leader mcconnell confirmed that the stalemate on
last week in the white house between john boehner and harry reid. this happened before the deal had been reached, i should point out. according to politico, boehner had strong words for the senate majority leader quote, go f yourself boehner. as he pointed his finger at reid. reid a bit startled replied what are you talking about and boehner then repeated it. go f yourself. they didn't cut the deal. in the end it was vice president biden and the senate majority leader. what does this say about the inability to work together? >> i also like the fact according to that story that boehner then went around bragging to everybody he said that to reid. i think they were both at the bottom of the food chain here of decision makers. they were fighting at the bottom of the chain while mitch mcconnell and joe biden were putting together the deal. i think both boehner and reid in a way were powerless in this decision for obvious reasons. and they -- the white house -- i was told by david plouffe o month ago that he much rather would prefer to work with mcconnell than boehner. mcconnell knows how
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